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great detroit, ja na to urcite kouknu. Rekl bych, ze cim vic hlav tim lepe

Panove co rikate na to, ze dame hlavy dohromady a udelame kucharku na price action entries. 3 dny po sobe mame climax a kazdy mel duvod pro i proti. Myslim ze bychom se postupne mohli soustredit na jednotlive vstupy a dodelat k nim treba pravdepodobnost. Například H1,2 L1,2 great in trend, pain in range. Nebo breakout gap bars, ci establishing trend or range na zaklade failes, ci rozdelovat entry na scalps s high % nutnosti scale in.atd. Co vy na to? Možná bychom to mohli move to al site? Co vy na to? :-)

jeste screen k BO gap bar, ktera ale nemela follow through a podporila context more 2 sideway price action after climaxes, kdyz uz jsme si tady povidali o gap bars :)

po predchazejim dni, kdy jsem sold low a musel jsem zavirat jsem citil unavu a nevoli to delat i dnes :( Vratil jsem se k jednomu market a k jednomu timeframe. 2 chyby nevziti obchodu a jeden obchod s low probability. Vzit jenom jeden obchod je narocne :), ale den s conseq. climax jsou scalp se swing SL a management position.

well you would have to have serious mental issues if you did :)

a nebo jeste jeden prispevek ohledne scale in. Mluvil o tom ve videu vcera ve dvou pripadech to i ukazal. Pokud trader sell 41 high a videl strong BO 42 tak sell high 43 a pokud si zaznacis MM between these bas tak uvidis, ze se toho dokazal z bavit na be. U druheho prikladu je to i zaznacene v tomtopripade na buy: Pokud trader buy 59 a pak videl strong bear BO tak mohl buy more around 62 a vetsina se dostala ne ven okolo bar 68 s velkym tail. samozdrejme tak trochu extremy v obou pripadech, ale i tady by te scale in zachranilo disaster :)

jeste k tomu managovani pozice. Al rika bull channel, bear flag bear channel bull flag. Fundament obchodovani 50 - 50 aneb vetsina BO fails, takze muzes scale in. Ten co nam proda na high vi a ma otestovano, ze to zase doleze na jeho BE. Pro nas obchodniky je problem, ze se musime prizpusobit nasemu uctu, velky ucty prodavaji bull channel na vyssim timeframe a kupuji bear channel na vyssim time frame. Proste managovat pozici Ale tohl

to Taraka: vyhodou vkladani sem kazdy den jako to delas ty, je ze te to nuti dodrzovat plan. Obchodovani je pro vetsinu z nas osamocena cinnost a tahle interaction muze dodat focus.

pardon ne uplne spravne zaznacene tak jeste jednou, rozhodnout se odkud to pocitat vyzaduje cvik, jeste, ze jeden obchoduje 5 min

Honzo, nejsem si jisty, ze jsme se pochopili :) es operuje v techto cislech velmi precizne. Problem je nekdy odhadnout, od ktere zatracene bar si tento profit target zmerit, ale i to jde, protoze jsou v grafu obvious S/R. Pokud chci napriklad scale in a vstoupit pri pull back, viz screen tak to je napomocne, pokud se na to clovek soustredi :)

jeste obrazek:

dejv0: ja bych si dovolil k tve otazce rict svuj poznatek i kdyz nejsem detroit snad to nevadi :) Jak pises musis mit swing sl okolo 2008, je to swing, a ja osobne bych se ho bal kvuli vzdalenosti, ale Al casto zminuje, ze pokud vezmes takovy obchod tak ho musis umet managovat. A tohle je hooodne dulezite, protoze myslet si, ze neco vyjde proste neexistuje. Takze k tomu managovani obchodu jak to vysvetluje AL: Nebavme se o tom, ze to jsou velke bars a 2nd je breakout bar a possible targets, a predchazejici sell off and reverse a kdo vi co jeste, ale pokud takovy obchod vezmes, tak je velka pravdepodobnoost, ze high bude otestovano znovu. A proto i Al mluvi hodne o tom, ze nerad bere obchod ke konci obchodni seance, protoze nema cas scale in. A to je druha vec, pokud to jde proti tobe tak koupi vic 6, 10, 14, a pokud by napriklad pri otestovani te gap bylo prilis hodne bear trend bars a nevypadalo to tedy moc slibne na dalsi pokracovani up tak pozici uzavre u sveho prvniho vstupu, V tomto pripade mame wedge, 2 sideway down, ema rejection a bulls be nebylo dotceno, proste clues, ze to pujde na nejaky measured move. Ja nekdy zkousim scale in, ale psychycky to moc nedokazi a vetsinou na tom neco zbabram, ale porad mas sanci, ze pokud to jde proti tabe tak z toho vypadnout na be. Jinak tohle se deje hooodne. Koukni na nejakou bear close/bull close, kde by jsi to nikdy nevzal a pak si vsimni nekolik bars pozdeji jak se to otestuje a na teto bar vznikne big tail. Proste vsichni se zbavuji pozice na be, protoze vidi, ze to dal nepujde, al Snad to dava smysl, ale hlavni zachranna brzda pro trader equity v tomto pripade je re-test of this bar a moznost scale in. A kdyz se otravujes jako ja se 2 min time frame a 3 trhy, tak jako ja, je z toho clovek tak zmateny , ze tomu nevenuje pozornost a tyhle moudra jsou na nic ach jo :( poznamka for nick :)

Moc hezke detroit Ja budu muset zpomalit a prestat kombinovat 5 min s 2 min tf a prestat hledet na NQ, ES a TF dohromady. Prikladam screen s es za, ktery se pochvalit nemohu. Hledenim na 2 min nejenze jeden ztraci prehled o smeru, ale take RRR, takze uplne o vsem :( Koukate nekdo na targets u es 6, 10, 14, 18 tics? Prijde mi, ze kdyz koukam na vstup 10 tics away a trh udela 11 tics, tak vetsinou i kdyz udela pullback tak se vrati na target 14 tics, takze me to nahlodava pockat s obchodem.

budte ke me setrni jeste jeden shot ze 301014 es at to tady neusne

Zapisuji si obchody z minuleho tydne a at tady neprikladam jenom perfect entry trading day ale i slabosti ktere mame vsichni:( Obchod 1) short big bar, only 2 tics tail, space to EMA...bar 2 tail..not good bar 3 missed be strengh on bears side opened short below bar for bar 1 MM...closed all positions at MM Obchod 2) failed to BO bottom of 2 sided market ...most of the positions closed at top Obchod 3) spatny obchod Obchod 4) after strong move up and follow through expected more up, also missed be stops...entry for 2nd leg up. Obchod ukoncen kvuli spatnemu spociitani profit targetu na 12+2 tics, spravne to melo byt 10 tics Obchod 5) napred top of trading range and taking profits 14 tics expected scalp , but bad trade more up for leg 2 Obchod 6) bad follow through up more down and than noticed open gap below failing 7 tics profit immidietly closed all positions a sel si dat kafe Obchod 7) wedge =bear flag, 2 bear bars, expected test EMA also missed be...late entry so kept small positions , but kept gap open so closed it Obchod 8 and 9) not good, bottom of trading range+EMA, but gaps downand tight channel and trading range+bull gap open =magnet. Exit positions 12 tics.(spatne order misto buy jsem sell) 10) long higher low, ema gap bar 2nd entry, gap above, H2 Pak uz jsem neobchodoval

to nick: Bylo by dobre ke kazde typu Gap prilozit nekolik screen shot , a tajne doufam, ze by ti nevadilo si to vzit za ukol :)

GAPS Gap is simply space between 2 prices. Close above high of the prior bar. Every trend bar is a spike, a breakout, and a climax, and since every breakout is a variant of a gap, every trend bar is a type of gap. Breakout Gaps form at the start of the trend and the measuring gaps form in the middle, exhaustion gaps form when a trend is trying to reverse. "All gaps will get filled" is saying that you sometimes hear, but this only rarely helps traders. The market is always coming back to test prior prices, so the saying would be more precise if it were "all prices get tested." However enough traders pay attention to gaps so that they act as magnets, especially when the pullbacks gets closer to them. The closer the market gets to any magnet, the stronger the magnetic field and more likely market will reach the magnet (this is the basis for buy and sell vacuums -exhaustion gap) Traditional gaps on a daily chart are classified as a breakout gaps (brakaway gaps) measuirng gaps, exhaustion gaps, and just ordinary gaps. For tha most part, the classification is not important and a gap that appears as one type innitially can be seen as a different type later on (possible MM gap can be later on exhaust gap) There is widely held belief that most gaps get filled or at least the breakout point get tested, and this is true. Whenever something is likely to happen, there is a trading opportunity. Breakout Gaps - start of the trend Breakout occures many times every day, but most of them fail and the market reverses Whenever there is a trend bar in a potential bull breakout, always look at the high of the bar before it and the low of the bar after it. If they do not overlap, the space between them might function as a measuring gap. In general, if the market falls more than a couple of ticks below the high of the bar before it, traders will lose confidence in the breakout and there might not be much follow through, even if there is no reversal. If the trend confirms, breakout gap can became a measuring gap. Although it will lead to a measured move from the start of the leg, the target is usually too close for traders to take a profits and they should ignore the MM projection. Instead, they should look at the gap as only a sign of strength and a tool to use to create a target for taking profits. If witin a few bars of the breakout the market pulls back into the gap but than rallies, use that pullback low as the breakout test, and then the measuring gap is between that low and the breakout point. This is a sign of the streng so whenever the a pullback does not fall below the breakout point, all traders see this as asign of the strength and expect a test of the trend high. The pullback is breakout test. If the pullback falls a little below the breakout point this is the sign of a lack of strength. When that happens I refer to this type of gap as a negative gap. Measuring Gap - they are in the middle of the trend. If the trend goes for five or 10 bars or so and gaps again, traders will think that this second gap might became the middle of the trend. They will see it as a possible measuring gap, and many traders will look to take profits on their longs once the market makes measured moves. The measured move is based on the height from the bottom of the bottom of the bull trend to the middle of the gap. This type of gap usuall is in the spike phase of a trend, and it gives traders confidence to enter at the market or on small pullbacks because they believe that market will work its way toward a measured move target. Small MM gap can also form around any trend.These micro MM gap occur if the bar before and the bar after the trend bar do not overlap and likely any gap can lead to measured move. The MM will usually be more accure if the trend bar was acting as a breakout. When these micro gaps accure in the first several bars of the trend, the market will usually extend much further than a measured move based on the gap. Don`t use the gap to find area in which to take profits, because the market will likely go much further and you don`t want to exit early in a great swing. A very common type of gap occures in any three consecutive trending bars on any chart. For example if these 3 bars are trending up and the low of bar 3 is at or above the high bar 1, there is a gap and it can act as a MM gap or breakaway gap. The high of bar 1 is breakout point and its tested by the low of bar 3. Its easy to overlook this set up, but if you studycharts you will see that these gaps often get tested within the next many bars but not filled, and therefore became evidence that the buyers are strong. Exhaustion Gaps - they form at the end of the trend. If the market has been going up for the past couple of hours but now suddenly forms a very large bull trend bar with a close near its high, especially if the high of this bar or that of one of the next couple of bars extends above a trend channel line=exhaustion gap. Experienced traders wait for these bars their waiting removes sellers from the market and creates a buy vacuum that sucks the market up quickly. Once they see it, the bulls take profits and the bears short on the close of the bar,. After the bull trend has gone on for dozens of bars, reaches a resistance area and is beginning to show signs of a possible reversal, traders will pay attention to the next gap, if there is one. If one forms, they will see it as a potential exhaustion gap-buy climax. Whenever there is a channel and then a trend bar that closes beyond the extreme of the prior bar, traders should watch to see if a gap forms. For example if there a bull channel or a bear flag and the next bar closes several tics above the high of the prior bar, this breakout bar might become a measuring gap. Watch the low of the next bar to see if it stays above the high of the prior bar. If so, the breakout bar might be a measuring gap. If the gap closes, the trend bar might be an exhaustion gap and the bull spike lead to a reversal down. Exp. Moving Average Gap Another common gap between the high or low of a bar and the moving average. In trends, these can set up good swing trades that test the extreme of the trend, and in trading ranges, they often set up scalps to the moving average. MA gaps happen many times a day every day, and most of the time they occur in the absence of a strong trend. If traders are selective, many of these gap bars can set up fades to the maving averages. For example, assume that the day is a trading range day and the market has been above the MA for an hour or so. If it than sells off to below the MA, traders will often go long abave that bar if there is enough room between the high of that bar and the MA for a long scalp. For example if there is a strong bear trend and the market finally rallies above the moving average, the first bar in that rally that has a low above the moving average is a first MA gap bar. Traders will place a sell stop order at one tick below the low of that bar to go short, looking for a test of the bear market low. If the stop is not triggered, they will keep moving the stop up to one tick below the low of the bar untill they are filled. Sometimes they will get stop out by the market moving above the signal bar and if that happens, they will try one more time to reenter their shorts at one tick below the low of the prior bar. Once filled, the signal bar is a second MA average gap bar. [bold] [/bold] [bold] [/bold] [bold] [/bold]

Nick Koukam, ze jsi zaregistrovany na financniku od roku 2008 uz chvili :-) Omlouvam se za psani zbytecnych zvastu, ktere nikomu nic nereknou Popravde smaller timeframe pouzivam proto, ze se bojim riskovat $$$ a to jak vsichni vime je problem Nekdy to vyjde, nekdy ne 👎 ale kdybych na misto toho akceptoval % obchodu 50% a soustredil se na graf tak jsem na tom lepe Jinak pokud chces riskovat mene na obchod tak ti zbývají limit orders v mistech pro scalp.

dejv0 Napsal: ------------------------------------------------------- > a-friend: > nemam screen, tak som spravil iba z toho co dal > detroit. prvy vstup bol na bare 1, kde som siel > stopom pod predchadzajuce doji, lebo som cakal > dalsi leg bearu ktory bol. hned potom som > spanikaril a vystupil na dalsom bare, ked to > vyzeralo, ze bude TR. dal som limit sell jeden > tick nad B1 (micro DT) a hned B2 siel presne na > miesto kde som mal limit, ale ostal nevyplneny. > vstupil som teda market trochu nizsie, ale stale > lepsie ako prvy vstup. vystupil som presne na > spodku B3 (vyplneny limit), co bol na tick presny > MM, rad by som sa pochvalil, ze som to mal presne > vyratane, ale mal som tam PT a to, ze slo o MM som > zistil, az ked som sa na to pozrel spatne Hezke :) ale koukam, ze mas problem pouzivat limits order above /below stejne jako ja :)

jeste k tomu mensimu time frame. ja bych se toho snazil vyvarovat. Samozdrejme price action funguje na vsem, ale tech rozhodnuti je tam prilis hodne a zbytecne se do toho zamotas a pak nejsi pripraven na dobry set up.

nick: moc dobre postrehy :) spravne to melo byt 2 sided trading limit short 4095.7, ale :) ja jsem to v tu chvili jeste nevidel a kdyz se udelala doji tak jsem se prepl na 1 min a presne jak pises po trigger L2 na 5 min se na 1 min udelali 2 doji coz mi pomohlo udelat rozhodnuti. Z pohledu vstupu to nebylo nejlepsi, ale bylo tam hodne duvodu pro swing down anyway. Pokud bych cekal na 5 min k uzavreni bar tak bych obchod nevzal. Neobchoduji podle 1 ci 2 min, ale pomaha mi to, pokud mam set up na 5 min chart U toho 2nd trade to byla pro zmenu 2 min chart. 2 bear bar na 5 min byly dostatecne silne na nejake otestovani a kdyz kouknes na 2 min tak ti to bude jasny. Ta uvaha je spravna a ja jak vidis to obchazim kombinaci 5 min, kde delam anlyzu a 1 and 2 min kde hledim obcas beru vstup. Jinak kdyz se nad tim zamyslis tak drtiva vetsina obchodu ma vzdycky duvod pro a proti viz 50-50 % ke ktere market tihne, ale nektere obchody potrebuji prostor na SL nekolik bodu obzvlaste pokud je vezmes na 5 min a nekterym, staci 2 tics, aby potvrdili ci vyvratili tvoji terii viz prvni obchod, ktery vzal detroit. Al sam casto ukonci obchod pokud se to hned nerozjede tak jak ocekaval. Jinak pokud pujdes na mensi tf, aby si mel mensi sl, tak budes muset delat mnohem vice rozhodnuti, ktere budes muset filtrovat, nejlepe vetsim timeframe

jo promin ty vstupy: tak prvni bull channel bear flag bear channel bull flag. Predchazejici den bull channel a jak detroit ukazal na screenshot wedge, ktery casto znaci konec channel. Ten prvni obchod byl low % probability ale dobry kontext ( well overbough market) = low risk, ale vice mene double top+trading range, exit je (prazdna arrow), bottom of TR (nemohu se pochvalit s exit, ale nemel jsem v umyslu ukoncit all positions, ale prehmatl jsem se v auto exitu :) Druhy obchod byl mnohem zretelnejsi na es, ale byl to 2top below EMA a ty 2 bear bars znacili minimalne otestovani its low. Nicmene bears meli obrovskou sanci k bo a test lower. Vetsinou zavru na test low a pote pokud mame BO a follow through tak otevru znovu, ale v tomto pripade mi ty 3 bull bars a prvni 2 big bull bars pripadali jako 2 sided a sance, ze budeme mit more 2 sided v den FOMC byla velka, takze opatrnost na failed BO byla velka. Jeste k tomu druheme obchodu hezky scalp byl na bar 10 ktera otestovalo gap u EMA, ale to jsem promeskal. Pokud vidite neco co ja ne, rad si poslechnu vase nazory.

nick: a ty jedes al brooks? Mas jeho knizky ci videa? vsechno je to tam popsane a vysvetlene, neni problem to tady napsat az budu mit chvilicku verim ze dejv0 a detroit radi pomuzou :)

Mate stejny problem jako ja, ze jste v odpoledni seanci tak unaveni, ze nemate odhodlani brat ani obchody, nebo jsem to jenom ja a potrebuji nejaky doping? :)

dejv0: tak to jsi to moc hezky vzal. buy high of TR below EMA pote BO s MM na sirku predchazejiciho TR s wedge, kde byla channel line overshoot. Very nice :) blahopreji Bral jsi to jako bad set up of H1, nebo jednoduse jako top of TR below EMA?